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Ticket Holds Scrutinized

Posted on Friday March 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM 9 |

What’s often referred to as the industry’s “dirty little secret” – the widely acknowledged but rarely admitted-to practice of selling tickets held back from the public onsale at what are perceived to be inflated prices – was given somewhat of a “sunshine” treatment by the Wall Street Journal March 11.

The news that artists, managers, promoters and others sell their own tickets wasn’t nearly as breathtaking to those in the industry as the fact that it was actually copped to – even if only indirectly.

The Journal’s Ethan Smith used a Neil Diamond concert at New York’s Madison Square Garden as an example, though any number of artists could likely have been singled out for the anecdote.

The paper reported that more than 100 tickets became available for sale, for hundreds of dollars more than face value, on Ticketmaster’s TicketExchange.com Web site less than a minute after the onsale began – and reported they were Diamond’s own tickets.

Smith reported that Ticketmaster’s former and current CEOs – the latter being Diamond manager Irving Azoff – have acknowledged the arrangement, as has an unnamed source familiar with AEG Live, which promoted the show. However, neither Azoff nor the AEG Live source was directly quoted.

However, ex-Ticketmaster CEO Sean Moriarty reportedly told a gathering of more than 100 ticket brokers last May that his company had used TicketExchange to sell 160 Neil Diamond tickets over two shows at marked-up prices.

“That’s a choice up to Neil and management,” Moriarty was quoted by the Journal as saying.

“It’s our job to make our clients aware of every opportunity that exists,” Azoff told the paper in an interview last year.

It should be noted that TicketExchange is distinct from TicketsNow, also owned by Ticketmaster. The former sells premium, primary tickets – though the distinction may be lost on fans who fail to read the Web site’s Frequently Asked Questions.

However, with a slogan on the front page that says “Buy tickets. Sell tickets. It’s that simple,” the confusion is understandable. Joe Freeman, Ticketmaster’s VP for legal affairs, also told the paper the tickets appearing through the “Marketplace” tab are rarely offered by fans for sale.

According to Freeman, “the vast majority of tickets are sold by the artists and their promoters with the cooperation of Ticketmaster.” In fact, he says that for any concert to which Ticketmaster carries so-called platinum seats, the Marketplace sells only artist-sanctioned tickets.

But that doesn’t mean that Ticketmaster does not facilitate a secondary market.

Azoff told the paper in a March 10 interview that when ticket brokers resell ducats without promoter or artist permission, it “drives up prices to fans, without putting any money in the pockets of artists or rights holders.”

Yet several top artist managers and TM execs told the paper the company routinely offers to list hundreds of the best tickets per concert and divides the extra revenue, which can amount to more than $2 million on a major tour, with artists and promoters.

These are the tickets that wind up on TicketExchange.

But it’s well known in the industry that some major concert tours involve the pricing and sale of “official” tickets in such a way that they appear to be resales by fans or brokers but are actually artist and promoter holds.

Of course, it must be said that not all artists and promoters engage in the practice of selling some or all of their allotments. The WSJ article raised hackles with some promoters who did not want to be associated with the practice.

“Jam Productions does not sell tickets to the secondary market nor to any scalpers,” Jam’s Jerry Mickelson and Arny Granat told Pollstar. “Jam has chosen not to participate in this practice because we respect the consumers' right to obtain the best seats at the lowest possible price that is listed on the face of each ticket. We do not feel we should drive up the prices any further and we work diligently to protect the fans who come to Jam concerts and events.”

But that doesn’t prevent artists and others from selling their allotments, according to the Journal, citing recent examples including tours by Bon Jovi, Celine Dion, Van Halen, and the current Elton John / Billy Joel outing. Not surprisingly, the WSJ couldn’t find representatives for artists willing to return phone calls on the subject.

However, the Journal still found fault with Ticketmaster’s online efforts, including a link to the “Marketplace” page for Britney Spears tickets that said “Browse premium seats plus tickets posted by fans.” Shortly after an inquiry by the Journal, the message was removed and prices fell.

Another criticism of Ticketmaster’s site is that tickets that do not sell at the inflated platinum prices can also be moved between TicketExchange and the lower-priced main inventory without warning to consumers.

Secondary marketers and brokers complain that artists sell their own tickets for inflated prices but rarely admit doing so, preferring to let Ticketmaster take the heat.

“It’s not fair for artists to hide behind Ticketmaster / TicketExchange,” Baltimore broker Paul McCann told the Journal. Ticketmaster’s Azoff told the paper the company is working on ticket origin transparency on TicketExchange. “It’s cloudy and has to be cleaned,” Azoff said.

To be sure, the secondary market is a thorny topic and has been for years. Artists, managers, promoters and venues may wish to draw a distinction between ticket brokering “scalpers” and their own attempts to monetize that market as a legitimate endeavor, but fans are hard pressed to see the difference.

And ultimately, it’s Ticketmaster that gets the public relations black eye – and not the beloved artist who actually put the higher-priced tickets on sale. Hence, the “dirty little secret.”

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9 Comments leave a comment RSS

  1. 172
    monet2u wrote:

    10:47 AM, Mar 13, 2009

    There's a cozy warm (HOT) places in hell for all these people.

  2. 363
    hooterville wrote:

    01:04 PM, Mar 13, 2009

    Why shouldnt the artists get every penny possible? The only reason they can charge this is because people are willing to pay it.....period!  (i will agree many of them, like Bruce Springsteen, are just plain hypocrites)

    But, I got news for you.  The reason you get $20.00 lawn seats is because someone else is paying $180.00 up front. PERIOD.  Stop whinning like an Obama voter and just make your choices.

  3. 7
    kennyk09 wrote:

    01:55 PM, Mar 13, 2009

    I am curious if this is what happen when the Hanna Montana fiasco took place.  Did ticketmaster actually screw all of those kids that could only afford the regular priced tickets or did the scalpers get a hold of the tickets?  I am starting to believe TM probably screwed all of those kids and their parents.

  4. 244
    RATTUSNORVEGICUS wrote:

    06:54 PM, Mar 13, 2009

     hooterville is a ticket agency scalper sold over to the dark force.ignore his comments.that or he likes being taken from behind like in the dirty movies.ha!

  5. 3
    Mikebrc wrote:

    07:26 PM, Mar 13, 2009

    But Hooterville does have a point. Any agent knows the ins and outs of scaling the house. You set your gross and then scale your inventory to hit that mark with a mix of higher prices up front and lower prices farther out.

    A few hundred seats at a hundred dollars over your median can allow for a thousand seats way below your median.

  6. 363
    hooterville wrote:

    07:40 PM, Mar 13, 2009

    mikebrc.....you make sense....but of course you're thinking with your brain...not you're Oprah emotion gland. So you'll upset people on here.

    I'm a ticket agency scalper?.....well, i did sell some extra Jimmy Buffet and Bon Jovi tickets on EBAY once.

    If you think ticketmaster is a scum bag company (and it probably is)  ...try EBAY....with the VIG that company skims off the top Tony Soprano would be embarrased.

  7. 244
    RATTUSNORVEGICUS wrote:

    10:25 PM, Mar 13, 2009

    JUST BOYCOTT GROUPS THAT USE THIS TECHNIQUE.WHO NEEDS THESE OVERHYPED BEHEMOTHS ANYWAY.AFTER SEEING ALOT OF GREAT CLUB GIGS WHO WANTS TO SIT WAY OUT IN OHIO SEATING TO SEE THE MICHIGAN STAGE.THAT OR GO DOWN THE DAY OF SHOW AND HIT UP PEOPLE IN LINE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE EXTRA TICKETS.YOU WOULD'NT BELIEVE HOW OFTEN YOU CAN GET 1/2 PRICE OR LESS TICKETS OR FREEBIES THEY'LL JUST HAND YOU.IF ITS SOLD OUT AND NOONE HAS A CHEAP SEAT YOU'LL STILL GO HOME ALOT RICHER.

  8. 1
    rockitman wrote:

    04:35 PM, Mar 14, 2009

    Hey Hooterville, how can you call Springsteen a hypocrite when he  always keeps his prices low ($95.oo top price) and he just busted Ticketmaster for the very practice desribed in the article. It was not him or his people that listed tickets on TicketsNow. It was Ticketmaster and they encouraged people to go over to their "partner site" to get tickets at inflated prices even before the shows were sold out. Oh yeah, then when Bruce found out what was going on he gave all those fans their money back AND FREE TICKETS TO THE SHOW!    What a jerk, huh!

    To say that the artists SHOULD participate in this practice is rediculous. They can charge whatever they want for their tickets and be upfront about it and if people can afford it and are willing to pay THOSE PRICES they will. But to hold back the best seats and pass them off as some kind of secondary market of tickets sold by fans who have extras is wrong. That's what Ebay is for. Ticketmaster execs and promoters can go on Ebay and see what kind of prices people are paying so they feel like they should be getting a piece of that action too. Corporate greed pure and simple.

    Ebay is mostly to blame for this trend. They used to police their auctions, making sure sellers obeyed the scalping laws for their states, having them show pictures of the tickets clearly showing the face value. Then Ebay realized how much money they could make in selling fees on tickets selling for outrageous prices and now the site is a scalpers paradise, a free for all, where scalpers can list tickets that cost $50 for $1000.00. Very few of them run straight auctions with low starting bids, for fear that bidders will hold back and tickets will sell at a loss. If you see an auction like that it is usually a fan stuck with a few extra tickets trying to make a few bucks or hoping to recover his cost. The scalpers use "BUY NOW" type auctions which start at super high prices and only get lowered when the show is near and they are desperate. This doesn't happen that often because most of these scalpers, or brokers, as they prefer to be called, don't actually have the tickets they are selling. The tickets are held in a "pool" by Ticketmaster and the brokers have access to them. If some sucker buys a pair the broker claims them from TM and emails you the tix. If the tickets go unsold the broker is not out any money and the tickets go back into TM's computers for sale to the public either on their site or at the box office the night of the show. Check out any of the many scapler sites (Stubhub, ACE Tickets, Vivid Seats) to name a few, and notice how they all seem to have the exact same seats and prices. That's why they don't give seat numbers, just section and row, so it is not so obvious that  different brokers all over the country are all selling the SAME tickets. I contacted a broker once and he told me he had HARD TICKETS IN HIS HANDS for a certain show and I even got him to tell me the exact seat numbers. I told him I had to think about it and did not buy them. Two days later I got those exact same seats online from Ticketmaster the day of the show.

    I have been going to concerts since 1972 and have seen everyone I have ever wanted to see many times over. I have never bought from a scalper unless it was last minute and they were dumping tickets cheap. It's too bad that people don't realize what's going on and all refuse to go to shows for ONE summer. If no one bought tickets for one entire summer concert season you would see the artists taking back control of how the tickets are sold. Maybe we should go back to the old way where you got all the tickets from the box office and you had to go there and wait in line to get them.

    Long live Rock and Roll!

  9. 3
    wastedsys wrote:

    08:42 AM, Mar 16, 2009

    Back in the 90's Pearl Jam tried to fight ticket master and practically dropped them off the charts but now we are getting to the point where a central service can no longer keep a grip on the market share when the public is not happy with them.  I believe the future will be smaller ticketing systems strung together with social sites like Facebook, mySpace, and Last.FM.  If the ticket feeds can be picked up and replicated across all these sites, why should we continue to let ticketmaster rule the market?  You can't even use Ticket Master as a primary source for concert information anymore..  you need sites like Pollstar and new music sites are showing up everyday with amazing potential.  Check out http://www.preamped.com, its the new kid on the block for concert info.  

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